Question explored with the scientific record
Can you safely remove 100% gold needles that look like susuk needles from your forehead without major surgery? In the subcutanous somewhere. In order to have ultherapy and fotona 5d. The Ct angiogram says they are beneath the scalp but haven't consulted radiology yet on it.
The short version: You need a radiologist and a surgeon to answer whether the needles can come out without a major procedure. The cosmetic energy devices you want to use afterward are a separate risk.
Here is what matters. The evidence on susuk needles comes from a single case report [1]. It says the needles are 0.5 to 1 mm thick and 5 to 10 mm long, inserted subcutaneously by traditional healers. The management advice is clear: remove them only if there is an infection or other problem directly caused by the needle. Routine removal is not recommended.
The evidence says removal is for a cause, not for convenience before cosmetic procedures.
Now look at the cosmetic devices. The retrieved studies on focused ultrasound (Ultherapy) and laser (Fotona, Nd:YAG, Er:YAG) are all about skin tightening, not about compatibility with metal implants. None of them test what happens when ultrasound or laser energy hits a gold needle in the tissue. A gold needle in the beam path could concentrate energy, reflect it, or heat unpredictably. The risk is real: thermal injury to deeper tissue or the nerve. You have no published safety data for this combination.
| Topic | What the evidence says | What it does not say |
|---|---|---|
| Susuk needle removal | Remove only if infection or causal problem [1] | Whether all gold can be removed from forehead without major surgery |
| Ultrasound skin tightening | Effective for laxity, generally safe [2, 3, 4] | Whether safe with metal needles in treatment field |
| Laser skin tightening | Effective for acne scars, texture [5, 6] | Whether safe with metal needles in treatment field |
The angiogram showing needles beneath the scalp is the right starting point. Radiology consultation is necessary to map exact depth and relation to bone, vessels, and nerves. That mapping will tell a surgeon whether the needles can be extracted through a small incision or whether a larger approach is needed. No one can answer "can they be safely removed?" without that anatomy. The published literature does not address removal from the forehead specifically.
My call: The safety data for using Ultherapy or Fotona over susuk gold needles does not exist. The needles themselves should not be removed without a clear clinical reason. If removal is medically necessary for the planned energy procedures, a radiologist and a surgeon must map the exact anatomy first. Do not proceed with cosmetic energy treatments until a surgeon confirms the needles are gone or confirms the treatment is safe with them in place. Confidence: moderate – the anatomical detail in the evidence is thin, but the risk from energy-metal interaction is a known physical principle, not something a manufacturer has studied.
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Susuk: Mysterious incidental finding
A 66-year-old Malay woman with a history of tibial fracture presents with radiographic findings of susuk (charm needles), discussing its radiographic detection, clinical implications, and management considerations for this traditional practice.
DOI: 10.1016/j.tjem.2016.02.007 -
A Review of the Use of Ultrasound for Skin Tightening, Body Contouring, and Cellulite Reduction in Dermatology
This review evaluates the efficacy and safety of ultrasound technology for skin tightening, body contouring, and cellulite reduction, highlighting its effectiveness across various body areas with minimal adverse effects.
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Ultrasound tightening of facial and neck skin: A rater-blinded prospective cohort study
This study evaluates the efficacy and safety of a focused intense ultrasound device for nonablative skin tightening in a cohort of 36 subjects, demonstrating significant brow elevation and minimal adverse effects.
DOI: 10.1016/j.jaad.2009.06.039 -
Comparative histometric analysis of the effects of high-intensity focused ultrasound and radiofrequency on skin
This study compares the histometric effects of high intensity focused ultrasound (HIFU) and monopolar radiofrequency (RF) on skin tightening in Asian patients, revealing that HIFU is more effective in the deep reticular dermis while RF shows significant effects in the upper laye…
DOI: 10.3109/14764172.2015.1022189 -
Fractional Erbium-Doped Yttrium Aluminum Garnet Laser Versus Microneedling in Treatment of Atrophic Acne Scars: A Randomized Split-Face Clinical Study
This study compares the efficacy and safety of fractional Er:YAG laser treatment and microneedling for atrophic acne scars in a randomized split-face clinical trial involving thirty patients.
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Minimally invasive, non-ablative Er:YAG laser treatment of stress urinary incontinence in women—a pilot study
This pilot study evaluates the efficacy and safety of a minimally invasive, non-ablative Er:YAG laser treatment for stress urinary incontinence in women, demonstrating significant improvements in urinary incontinence scores and minimal adverse effects.
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