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- 1 Can you safely remove 100% gold needles that look like susuk needles from your forehead without major surgery? In the subcutanous somewhere. In order to have ultherapy and fotona 5d. The Ct angiogram says they are beneath the scalp but haven't consulted radiology yet on it. + a private exchange
- 2 But if the ultherapy avoids the needles at the forehead (provided they are there) just to do the eyes, is it still possible as long as they are precisely mapped? Same with fotona 5d? + a private exchange
- 3 What kind of nerve damage can happen in the forehead?
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What kind of nerve damage can happen in the forehead?
The short version: the nerves at risk in the forehead are the supratrochlear and supraorbital nerves, and a needle can damage them by direct laceration, compression from scar tissue, or chronic inflammation that disrupts blood flow to the nerve.
The supratrochlear nerve emerges about 3.4 mm from the lacrimal caruncle in Asians, then pierces the corrugator and frontalis muscles at predictable but variable points [1]. A needle that hits this nerve can cause numbness, tingling, or pain in the central forehead and upper eyelid. The supraorbital nerve runs nearby and supplies the lateral forehead and scalp. Neither nerve is large: a 27-gauge needle (0.41 mm diameter) is roughly the same size as these nerve branches [4]. Direct puncture can sever axons or cause a neuroma.
The bigger risk may be slower. A 1980 rabbit study showed that after sciatic nerve transection, blood flow to the skin dropped by more than half within 7 days, and 13 of 15 rabbits developed ulcers by day 14 [2]. That is an extreme model, but it shows that nerve injury disrupts local blood supply. In the forehead, a needle that does not hit a nerve directly can still cause a foreign-body reaction that compresses the nerve or inflames the tissue around it, reducing perfusion. The same study found that albumin permeability increased 194% at 4 days after nerve injury [2], meaning the vessels leak. That leaking can cause swelling that further compresses the nerve.
For your MRI question, the nerve damage matters because a damaged nerve may not show up on standard imaging. A 3T MRI can see the nerve itself if the protocol includes thin-slice T2 or diffusion sequences, but scar tissue from a needle track can look like normal tissue. The nerve injury would be diagnosed by symptoms and physical exam, not by the scan. If you already have numbness or tingling in the forehead, that is a sign the nerve was hit, and removal of the needle may not reverse it. The nerve can regenerate, but the 2025 study on A-beta low-threshold mechanoreceptors shows that even when the nerve activates repair genes, actual regrowth is limited [3]. Only about 39% of those nerve fibers had regenerated by 8 weeks after injury [3].
My call: a needle in the forehead can damage the supratrochlear or supraorbital nerve by direct laceration, compression from scar tissue, or reduced blood flow from chronic inflammation. The damage may be permanent even if the needle is removed. If you have no symptoms, the nerve is likely intact. If you have numbness or pain, the nerve is already injured and removal will not guarantee recovery. Confidence: moderate – the anatomy is well mapped, but the specific literature on needle-induced forehead nerve injury is absent from this retrieval.
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Three-Dimensional Topography of the Supratrochlear Nerve With Reference to the Lacrimal Caruncle, and Its Danger Zone in Asians
This study investigates the three-dimensional topography of the supratrochlear nerve in relation to the lacrimal caruncle to provide surgical guidelines for preventing nerve injury during forehead surgeries in Asians.
DOI: 10.1097/DSS.0000000000001217 -
Changes in blood flow and permeability of vessels to protein preceding the development of cutaneous ulcers in the hind limb of the rabbit
This study investigates the effects of sciatic nerve transection on blood flow and vessel permeability to protein in the hind limb of rabbits, revealing significant decreases in blood flow and increases in permeability following nerve injury.
DOI: 10.1016/0026-2862(80)90039-4 -
Peripheral regeneration of Aβ low-threshold mechanoreceptors is limited despite activation of regenerative transcriptional pathways
Aβ low-threshold mechanoreceptors (Aβ-LTMRs) display limited peripheral regeneration after nerve injury despite robust activation of canonical regeneration-associated genes, with transcriptional profiling revealing a neuron-subtype-specific injury program and preferential reinne…
DOI: 10.64898/2025.12.13.691790 -
Percutaneous Removal of a Tiny Needle Fracture From the Right Ventricle of the Heart in a Drug Abuser
This study presents a case of successful percutaneous retrieval of a tiny needle fracture from the right ventricle of the heart in a drug abuser, highlighting the challenges and techniques involved in such a procedure.
DOI: 10.1177/1538574416680979