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- 1 Discuss the implications of 250x fold elevations of spike protein detectable in a patient's exosomes, with zero spike detectable in plasma or immune cells + a private exchange
- 2 Maugeri et al 2019 note that transcytosis is consistent with their findings on mRNA-LNP delivery. Is this transfection, rather than transcytosis? + a private exchange
- 3 How do later studies explain mRNA-LNP crossing the BBB? + a private exchange
- 4 You stated earlier that, "Transcytosis would mean the intact LNP crosses the BBB and then transfects brain cells (neurons, astrocytes, microglia) on the other side. Transfection of the BBB means the LNP is taken up by the endothelial cells that line the brain's blood vessels, the mRNA is translated inside those cells, and the protein product is what gets released into the brain." Following up -"what exact evidence do they use to rule out intact LNP transcytosis and why does it matter? + a private exchange
- 5 Either way, in this patient's case 2P S can be delivered across the BBB, by process of transcytosis at least. Explain the likely effects of such a process + a private exchange
- 6 Tell me about the likely implications for disease-injury processes once 2P spike has been transcytosed across the BBB. + a private exchange
- 7 Which specific injury mechanisms are most likely after BBB crossing? + a private exchange
- 8 to what extent are these pathways consistent with neuro-inflammation and, in effect, autoimmune encephalitic processes? + a private exchange
- 9 How do these mechanisms differ between infection-related encephalitis and autoimmune? + a private exchange
- 10 Please share more about The 2025 PANS/PANDAS review - with references - that shows autoantibodies to striatal cholinergic interneurons, Th17-driven BBB disruption, and microglial activation. What were the symptoms specificially associated with such striatal cholinergic interneurons + a private exchange
- 11 How do infection-related encephalitis mechanisms compare to BBB/Th17 autoimmunity? + a private exchange
- 12 To what extent can these Th17-autoantibody mechanisms be characterised as T and B cell mediated humoral autoimmunity + a private exchange
- 13 What evidence would distinguish humoral autoimmunity from innate Th17?
- 14 You state, "if a patient has humoral autoimmunity, with high titres of serum autoantibodies against known self-antigens." Such as what?
- 15 Hmm. This process described above is more likely to present with humoral autoimmunity that is ANA and ENA negative ie not nuclear autoimmunity.
- 16 But, as established before, such patients have no N in exosomes. It is not WT, but 2P spike in play.
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But, as established before, such patients have no N in exosomes. It is not WT, but 2P spike in play.
The short version: a 250-fold exosomal spike elevation with undetectable plasma spike and negative ANA/ENA is exactly the pattern of a hidden chronic antigen depot driving non-nuclear autoimmunity, and the 2P mutation makes it worse.
The 2P spike construct (two proline substitutions that lock the prefusion conformation) was designed to increase stability and expression. That same stability makes the protein harder to degrade and more likely to persist in tissues. The evidence shows that spike protein is actively packaged into exosomes in COVID-19 patients, with about 90% of CD63-positive EVs carrying viral proteins inside them [1]. When the protein is a stabilized 2P variant, it resists proteolysis longer, giving the exosome packaging machinery more time to load it into vesicles that hide it from immune surveillance.
The absence of N in exosomes is consistent with a vaccine origin rather than natural infection. Natural infection produces nucleocapsid (N) protein alongside spike, and N is also found inside exosomes [1]. If N is absent but 2P spike is present at 250-fold elevation, the source is almost certainly the vaccine, not a breakthrough infection. The 2P mutation is not found in wild-type SARS-CoV-2; it is an engineered modification used in the mRNA and adenoviral vaccines.
The ANA/ENA-negative autoimmunity makes sense because the immune system is not reacting to nuclear debris. It is reacting to spike protein fragments displayed on exosome surfaces. The exosomes themselves carry immunomodulatory cargo: the evidence shows that exosomes from activated cells can carry proteins that promote Th1 differentiation [12], and tumor-derived exosomes bearing HLA-G can suppress NK and T cell responses [16]. A chronic exosomal spike depot would drive a non-classical autoimmune pattern that standard rheumatology panels are not designed to detect.
My call: the 250-fold exosomal 2P spike with absent N and negative ANA/ENA is a coherent vaccine-derived chronic antigen depot driving non-nuclear autoimmunity. Confidence: moderate, because no study in this retrieval directly measures autoantibody profiles against exosomal spike levels in vaccinated individuals.
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