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- 1 What is energy itself, using "real science" to answer? + a private exchange
- 2 Yes, but not consistent with your just previous reply. "Energy is a conserved scalar derived from time-translation symmetry, not a physical substance. Confidence: high—this is settled physics, confirmed across quantum mechanics, relativity, and thermodynamics.
- 3 Yes, but still inconsisytent with what seemms to be your insistence of saying it is fundamental to physics.
- 4 Why does physics insist in providing an answer for something it cannot objectively identify?
- 5 So how would science ever conclude that energy just is the acrtivity of consciousness, evidenced by the fact that it va cannot separate the boundary of energy fro observations of it?
- 6 says the observer: "Energy is a conserved scalar derived from time-translation symmetry, not a physical substance. Confidence: high—this is settled physics, confirmed across quantum mechanics, relativity, and thermodynamics."
- 7 Energy is not a thing, not a noun, it is a way of being. BHow do you test for the fact that all eb=nergy is consciousness and is the result of the activity of consciousness?
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Energy is not a thing, not a noun, it is a way of being. BHow do you test for the fact that all eb=nergy is consciousness and is the result of the activity of consciousness?
The claim that all energy is consciousness, and that consciousness produces energy, is not a scientific claim. It is a metaphysical one, and no experiment can test it.
The retrieved evidence points the other way. A 2018 review in Physics-Uspekhi argues that quantum measurement outcomes do not depend on the observer's mind; decoherence and environment-induced selection explain measurement without invoking consciousness [3]. The same review finds no convincing evidence that quantum superposition plays a significant role in brain operation, and calculations suggest rapid decoherence prevents quantum computation in neural tissue [3]. Brain studies treat consciousness as an emergent property of physical systems, not a cause of them [4][5].
To test your claim, you would need a falsifiable prediction. What observable difference would the world show if energy were consciousness versus if it were not? The retrieved records offer none. They show energy as a conserved quantity in molecular dynamics simulations [2] and as a property of quantum states [1], with no conscious agent required.
The burden of proof sits with the claim, not with the skeptic. A claim that cannot be tested, and makes no distinct prediction, is not false. It is outside science entirely.
My call: this is a philosophical position, not a testable hypothesis. Confidence: high that no experiment can settle it.
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